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Daily Points on Anglin Bay Site Traffic and Parking, #4
Drop Off and Pick Up Mode of Access

Beginning May 19th, 2005, Bruce Todd, who is supposed to be retired from a 40+ year career in traffic engineering, but nonetheless branded an "instant expert" by several pro-LVEC luminaries, none loftier than William Leggett, ex-principal of Queen's University, is briefing everyone about the field, pointing out "features" of the full Phase I Traffic and Parking Study prepared by CastleGlenn Consultants , who were hand-picked by Don Gedge for their "keen understanding of the Wellington Street Corridor" (pages 13 and 16 therein). 

Articles in the Daily Points on LVEC Traffic and Parking series

#1 - Concerns About the Content of Phase I (May 19)
#2 - No  Pedestrian Counts in Intersection Analysis (May 20)
#3 - A Discussion of the Two Adjacent Parking Lots (May 21)
#4 - Drop Off and Pick Up Mode of Access (May 22)
#5 - Display Maps (May 23)
#6 - The Anglin Parking Lot (May 24)
#7 - Reporting of Available On-Street Parking (May 25)
#8 - Determination of Mode of Travel (May 26)
#9 - Infrastructure and Management Requirements (May 27)
#10- Study Area and Study Data (May 28)
#11- Traffic Counts (May 29)
#12- Acceptable Walking Distance (May 30)
#13- Parking Availability and Key Factors (May 31)
#14- Clearance Time After an Event (June 1)
From: Bruce Todd
To: "Gedge, Don" <dgedge@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor S Garrison <sgarrison@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor R Downes <rdownes@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor L Foster <lfoster@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor G Stoparczyk <gstoparczyk@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor B Pater <bpater@cityofkingston.ca>, Mayor H Rosen <hrosen@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor G Beavis <gbeavis@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor K George <kgeorge@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor G Sutherland <gsutherland@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor F Patterson <fpatterson@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor E Smith <esmith@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor S Meers <smeers@cityofkingston.ca>, Councillor B George <bgeorge@cityofkingston.ca>
CC: "Hickey, Sheila" <SHickey@cityofkingston.ca>, "Baldwin, Derek" <dbaldwin@thewhig.com>, gwallace@cityofkingston.ca

Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 07:16
Subject: [KCAL] LVEC Traffic & Parking - Item #4     

Drop Off and Pick Up Mode of Access

Thanks to the efforts of a few local citizens, the rest of this community now has full access to the complete report on Traffic and Parking , Phase I, for the proposed LVEC, at www.kcal.ca

On Page 17 of the Traffic & Parking Report Phase I  (TPRP1), we are told that 11% of the mode share of attendees would be dropped of and picked up after an event. This percentage was determined by the consultant from information gathered at the Memorial Centre site during an OHL game night.

Eleven percent of 5000 means that 526 people will arrive in 292 cars to be dropped off. After an event 292 cars will be trying to access the site against 5000 pedestrians and vehicles trying to leave the site. Where will these 292 cars stack up to await their passengers? THIS IS A MAJOR TRAFFIC CONCERN AND PLANNING COMMITTEE SHOULD HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER BEFORE ACCEPTING THIS REPORT.

292 cars represents a single line of cars about twenty blocks long. It would be almost equivalent to the entire contents of the Anglin Lot (182) and the OHIP Lot (about 160, allowing for reserved spaces, if they let us use it) sitting out on the street somewhere.

I cannot think of a reasonable place to stack up these 292 vehicles along any of the adjacent streets, whether it be Rideau Street, or the Wellington Street extension, or anywhere else. The 526 people looking for their rides will have a very difficult time finding their car after an event.

Keep in mind that, although probably none of these 292 motorists have handicap stickers (there's no place for them to park if they did have), many of their passengers require having to be dropped off and picked up, or they just couldn't attend an event.

Mr Gordon suggested he was looking into getting permission to use the DND lot at the west end of the Causeway. This has 158 stalls, but allowing for reserved spaces and vehicles left overnight, there might be 140 available stalls. That's not quite half of the parking supply needed. And there are at least three difficulties here, (1) passengers, after walking to the lot, would have to wander through the lot looking for their ride, and (2) passengers would have to walk 654 metres from the LVEC front door, 34% further than the acceptable walking distance of 487 metres for a major sports and entertainment centre, and (3) since the DND lot can hold only 140 of the 292 vehicles, there is no guarantee that a passenger's ride was able to find parking in the lot.

It is my opinion that allowing any cars to access the front door of the LVEC after an event would add tremendously to the capacity problems and safety at the Wellington Street intersections, and create a very unsafe condition along Wellington Street and in front of the LVEC. And since Mr Gordon has been looking at the DND option, he too must be of the same opinion, although he makes no mention of a concern in the report.

It is my opinion that the Wellington Street northbound lane be closed north of Place D'Armes during the post-event peak hour, but kept in place for police and emergency vehicles only.

THE SITE IS SIMPLY TOO SMALL WITH TOO FEW ACCESS POINTS TO ACCOMMODATE PICK-UPS AFTER AN EVENT. FOR SAFETY REASONS, PICK-UPS SHOULD BE DISALLOWED ON SITE.

Please keep in mind that these comments are based on a 5000-person attendance. A sold-out 6800-person event or a future 7800-person event would have even greater problems of congestion and safety.

Bruce.

P.S. Feedback notes (excluding congrats) to date - from local citizens = 4 ; from city hall, council, or other = 0

 

Articles in the Daily Points on LVEC Traffic and Parking series

#1 - Concerns About the Content of Phase I (May 19)
#2 - No  Pedestrian Counts in Intersection Analysis (May 20)
#3 - A Discussion of the Two Adjacent Parking Lots (May 21)
#4 - Drop Off and Pick Up Mode of Access (May 22)
#5 - Display Maps (May 23)
#6 - The Anglin Parking Lot (May 24)
#7 - Reporting of Available On-Street Parking (May 25)
#8 - Determination of Mode of Travel (May 26)
#9 - Infrastructure and Management Requirements (May 27)
#10- Study Area and Study Data (May 28)
#11- Traffic Counts (May 29)
#12- Acceptable Walking Distance (May 30)
#13- Parking Availability and Key Factors (May 31)
#14- Clearance Time After an Event (June 1)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last updated May 22, 2005