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Details and Adjustments to CastleGlenn Consultants Report to the LVEC Steering Committee

These are CastleGlenn Consultants' conclusions on the LVEC parking question.

This panel on page 18 of the DRAFT - Phase I: Traffic and Parking Viability Assessment Study (April, 2005)

It says there are 2113 available parking spaces within 600m of the LVEC, thus satisfying the demand for 2,015 vehicles.    

Here are the conclusions after adjusting for obvious errors by CastleGlenn Consultants.

If you measure distances accurately, nevermind correctly, and account for parking lots we know are closing soon, we conclude that

- If CastleGlenn's single-data-point car tally can be trusted (Ha!) then there are only 1253 stalls available within a 600m crow-flies radius.

- If CastleGlenn's single-data-point car tally can be trusted, there are about 2000 stalls within a 960m walking distance.

- Within a true, measured 600m walking distance there are only between 836 and 890 available stalls.  It depends whether you count Kincore (Bagot), which the linked document clearly says is a sold-out private lot with a waiting list.  Note that this is still an optimistic tally since we should to further reduce the on-street stall inventory which, in the table below, is based on a 600m radius (about 720m-800m walking distance).  See the difference between a 600m walking distance and a 600m radius  on figure 2 here.

Note that you can download this table in MS Excel 2000 format. 

TOTAL PARKING DEMAND FROM LVEC:  2,015 vehicles.  

Lot No.

Ownership

Parking Facilities

No of Spaces CastleGlenn's Distance (Crow Flies) Actual Dist
(Crow flies)
 (3) (5)
KCAL Measured Walking Dist CastleGlenn's
Available Stalls
90% CastleGlenn's
90% Cumulative Stalls
Adjust-
ment
  Adjusted
 90% Cumulative Stalls
N/A Public On-site parking lot 100 On-site On-site . 100 N/A 100   100
N/A Public On-Street Non-Metered 780 - - . 560 504 604 -202 (1) 402
12 Public Anglin Lot [To be confirmed upon design] 228 60m 100m 185m 214 193 797 . . 595
2 Private OHIP 195 140m 150m 255m 178 160 957  .. 755
N/A Public On-Street Metered 210 - - . 140 126 1083 -51 (1) 830
23 Public Rideaucrest 167 230m   . 154 139 1222     969
5 Public Barrack St. Lot
(Closing -- North Block)
104 250m 335m 431m 28 25 1247 -101 (2) 893
21 Public Frontenac Lots
(Closing -- North Block)
243 280m 367m 536m 216 194 1441 -221 (2) 866
10 Public Drury Lot 
(Closing -- North Block)
114 390m 470m 540m 84 76 1517 -106 (2) 836
4 Private Kincore Lot (Bagot)
(Currently full -- waiting list)
76 450m 450m 615m
(Mappoint)
60 54 1571 . . 890
(615m walk)
9 Public Angrove Lot 66 460m 460m 737m 58 52 1623  .  . 942
14 Public King & Queen Lot 43 480m 550m 682m 14 13 1636  .  . 955
14 Private Kincore Lot (Ontario) 77 500m 570m . 47 42 1678  .  . 997
11 Public Springer Lot 62 510m 540m 745m 28 25 1703  .  . 1022
1 Public Byron Lot 73 520m 540m 889m 43 39 1742  .  . 1061
13 Public Ordnance Lot 32 530m 530m 804m 21 19 1761  .  . 1080
24 Private The Mill 259 600m 600m   192 173 1934 . . 1253
(600m fly)
1 Private Holiday Inn 210 550m 610m 833m 105 95 2029    . 1348
5 Private Sugarman/Gilad Lot 160 580m 645m . 94 85 2114 (4)
(600m fly)
.   1433
8 Public Hanson Lot 268 610m 675m . 221 199 2313  .  . 1632
2 Public Robert Bruce Lot (Upper and Lower) 100 630m 685m . 42 38 2351 . . 1670
7 Public Chown Lot 438 680m 720m 960m
(Mappoint)
364 328 2679 . . 1998
  -681

Notes to the table:    

(1) CastleGlenn Consultants overstate the area of their study by 40%.  We proportionally adjust the "90%" number of on-street stalls that CastleGlenn provides under the assumption that the on-street parking capacity is strongly correlated with the total area being considered.   These adjustments to "on-street metered" and "on-street non-metered" categories apply to to correcting to the 600m radius.  As the radius increases, these adjustments become smaller, tending to zero at the 710m radius, i.e. what CastleGlenn Consultants defines as "600m".  For tallies involving true radii above 600m and below 710m, the adjustments would be positive up to (202+51)=253 stalls at 710m, but these adjustments are not shown here given the closing of Market Square and Block D lots, whose potential 200+ cars scattered elsewhere in the system would cancel-out a good proportion of these adjustments.
(2) CastleGlenn Consultants failed to account that these lots will soon be closed, and the cars CastleGlenn tallied therein are assumed to move to adjacent lots.  Note, though, that CastleGlenn admits using only one data point, which makes this whole column of data worth essentially nothing, and the whole parking assessment is thus without much value from a statistical perspective. 

Example:  Barrack St Lot adjustment:  25 stalls no longer available, plus the (104-28)=76 cars therein displaced nearby, makes a total 101 stall overstatement.

(3) CastleGlenn Consultants made serious measurement errors, averaging 13%, on simple crow-flies measurements from the LVEC site.  The distances we provide here are the correct absolute minimum possible crow-flies distances to the closest edge of the lot.  For distance to the center of the lot, add 20-40m, depending on the lot.  For a quick estimate of actual walking distance, multiply the actual distances here by a factor between 1.2 and 1.4.
(4) CastleGlenn Consultants have a minor math error the original table.  Their correct number should be 2114, not 2113.
(5) This table is sorted by actual crow-flies distance, not by CastleGlenn's erroneous crow-flies distances.

Note as well as there are other qualitative problems with the CastleGlenn study.

Finally, don't forget:  a 600m walking distance, nevermind a 960m walking distance,  is far in excess of the recommended park and walk distance for just about everything except airport parking applications.  Can an LVEC be successful under these circumstances?  If so, how much risk does this absolutely dreadful parking situation gratuitously add to the project?  This must be factored into the Anglin Bay Premium which includes other things like land costs (unknown), site finish costs (unknown, but more than say Market Square), foundation construction difficulties, water table difficulties, neighboring infrastructure improvements (sidewalks, lighting) etc, etc.

Remind us, again, what's so great about the Anglin Bay site?  Proximate businesses? 

 

Last updated April 30 2005 at 6:00 PM.