Kingston Concerned About
Currently known as the "KROCK Centre"
Formerly the "Kingston Regional Sports and Entertainment Centre" or KRSEC
Formerly the "Large Venue Entertainment Centre" or LVEC
Notes from the September 7 2006 Planning Committee meeting
We attended the Planning Committee meeting from 18.30-22.30. There were a
handful of members of the public. After a presentation by the architects and
a traffic specialist, questions of the committee members (councilors) followed by
questions of the public.
Here some notes:
Frontenac Village is afraid of excess of noise, especially re the glass wall
on the East side
there will be 15-16 pieces of equipment on the roof.
equipment will not run all the time at full capacity
A report had been provided to committee members (not to the public) which
was commented on at some length by the Ellis Don presenter. According to
noise levels from equipment and concerts must comply with the Ontario
MOE standards. The MOE standards require that noise not interfere with
the "normal enjoyment" of one's property, which means that people should be
able to keep their windows open and sit out in their patios.
The report recommends changes in some equipment and screening
etc. The Ellis Don rep stated that they would comply with the
In comments it was mentioned that pitch, as well as decibels, should be
taken into account. It was also stated that residents would be watching
closely and that if the noise exceeded MOE standards, we would appeal
to the MOE, as provided for in the legislation.
- Committee members seemed quite receptive, and there were many questions and
comments from them re noise.
Vicki Schmolka asked about handicap accessibility and expressed big concerns.
OHIP building id 100 feet, LVEC will be 72 feet high.
max. seating 6000 = 1500 floor seats = 7500 . The City calculated an
attendance of 10,000 people of the last Blue Festival, which caused no
average expected attendance 5000 or less and full capacity will be not
happen that many times per year.
The building is not built for 7500 spectators. It is built for an average
Planters with small trees will be placed on the walkways, which will be an
obstacle for visually impaired people !
re Parking :
no parking on site.
Vicki Schmolka asked about handicap parking on site and expressed again valid
No straight answers on accessibility. Acessibility once within the building
is good, and there will be ramps at all the entrances. But drop off
accessibility is not clear.
Taxi stand is in front of food Basics on Barrack St., not on
Ontario St. because that will be too narrow.
1100 parking stalls within 400 m walk, 525 within 600 m walk
Busses have to park at the City Yard, Division and Montreal St. (?)
For 5000 visitors they calculated 2200 cars, but imagine 7500 patrons :
maybe 4000 cars need to be parked ?
solutions : carpooling, bus transportation, shuttle busses. Individual
parking is expected mostly in the S and W direction from the building.
In short: nothing new -- only repeated assurances about the desirability of
dispersed parking. I'd love to see what happens in January!
re Traffic :
Each year is expected a notable growth in traffic, especially when Block D is
built out to the fullest.
Place D'Armes (with 3 narrow lanes), Ontario St., Barrack and King St. will
be all narrower overall and will be 2 way streets.
Traffic lights on Place D'Armes and Wellington will be installed in future
The ferry timetable won't be altered, but the timing of traffic lights will.
The traffic staff person (didn't catch his name) opined that the ferry
wouldn't be running when concerts let out late in the evening. In fact, the ferry runs until
2:00 a.m.!! These people are operating in woeful ignorance of how
that ferry operates!
Apparently there are to be "lay-bys" along Barrack St. for taxis and drop
off. There was a suggestion that the city MAY use space in the adjoining lot
south of Barrack for this purpose (across from the facility).
Wellington extension and the third crossing will help the traffic flow
Emergency vehicles to LVEC : quick access is up to the manager of the
building and/or police to organize that.
Emergency vehicles to Frontenac Village : there is a fire lane on the Anglin
Bay parking lot.
5. Voting :
In principal site plan is approved, but
Staff has to come back to the Committee on 21 September with solutions re
handicap accessibility and parking and all other issues brought up for
which there was no answer. Then there will be a vote for Final approval.